If you made it this far as an admirer - you found the site, and now
the article you are already likely to be a serious admirer so read on because
there is a T Girl who wants YOU !
OK now why are T Girls soooooo
difficult to meet. Well its simple really. Its just nice girls are very limited
in numbers and can be very selective. Don't believe me ? OK heres the numbers
based on assorted surveys.
First off around 70% of T Girls are hetero only,
that means there are only 30% of the total available for dating. Of that 30%
fully half will only be interested in dates with other T Girls so now your down
to 15% of the total. Of those some will be in relationships already or for some
other reason not looking for any sort of meeting, lets be generous and assume
half of this pool is available. That means out of all T Girls around maybe only
7% are bi, available and looking. When you add in the personal stuff - like
some just wont be the right girl for you ( too fat, too thin, wrong looks, too
sassy, too shy etc. etc.) you can see that your playing against a very limited
number of girls most of whom are being chased relentlessly by other admirers
and can be very selective about who they will meet.
To put this into
context - if you were to go to a decent sized club on a good night, there will
be maybe 200 girls and 50 admirers. Using the numbers above you can see that of
the 200 only around 14 will be interested. But there's 50 admirers there - so
you are starting at 3.5 : 1 as odds. In fact its lower than that at a club
because many girls will be with their friends and although they may be looking
generally they wont be interested on the night.
'Jeez' I hear you say
'so how do stand a chance ?' Its OK - the odds look bad but if you really want
to meet a T Girl Melanie can help.
Now the first thing to remember here
is that to stand any chance at all you will need the patience of Job plus a
modicum of charm and some luck. For those who are prepared to practice some
patience and who are honest it can happen for you.
OK so how do you meet and start
the process.................. well lots of people start with the Internet and
chat rooms like the one at
Melanies TV
Zone. The problem with chat rooms generically is they do attract the
fantasy brigade so you could be chatting to a 'girl' who in fact isn't ( and
the girls of course get chatted to a lot by complete morons - further reducing
your chances). On my chat system myself and a few of my friends keep an eye on
the chatters and obvious fakes get told to take a
hike.
Internet Chat Systems
Lets deal with chat system first as a way of meeting. OK you arrive
at the chat system and there are maybe 2-3 girls in chat. If its a Yahoo system
you can check their profiles on some other systems you cant so your reliant on
chatting to find out more.
If she has a profile ( and any genuine T-Girl will have
a pic and some details - if this is missing watch out - your dealing with a
possible fake ) then read the profile. Its obvious stuff really but nothing
is guaranteed to annoy like people who start a chat and ask 'where are you
from' when thats on the profile.
It signals that someone isn't
interested enough to read about you - just looked at the picture, thought 'Cor
!' and started a chat - so Mr. Willy is obviously in control here and you don't
EVER want to give that impression.
Finally don't hit on the most
glamorous girl in the chat system and wonder why you get ignored. She will be
fighting off a bevy of would be admirers.
Also when chatting NEVER EVER add a T
Girl as a friend to your Yahoo or MSN chat system without asking first. Its
impolite and may damage your chances
badly.
So there you sat in the chat
system and no-one notices you - thats because the chances are the girls will be
in chat with each other. T Girls spend about 90% of their on-line time chatting
with other girls.
You need to get their attention so why not private her
and ask if you can chat to her.
Now this is where reading the
profile is essential. Is she has written on her profile that she wont answer
PMs etc. and prefers to chat on the main board then don't go PMing - girls who
have put that on their profile mean it. She will most likely just add you to
her ignore list without a second thought. Similarly if she has writen on her
profile that she only dates other girls then take that on-board too, you wont
change her mind with a chat up line and will just waste your time and
hers.
Anyway you just PMd her, most girls will be polite and either say
'yes' or maybe 'no - they are busy right now.' This is where 90% of admirers
fall down. When the girl says no don't take offence - she will probably be
having a fun chat with her friends about make-up, clothes or T Girl things.
Just ask politely if she would maybe be interested in chatting some other
time.
Most girls will either agree or at least say something like 'sorry
hon - I am not looking'. Again don't take offence. There's only so many people
anyone can chat to and you may have picked a girl who is already maxed out -its
NOT cos your ugly or uninteresting just that maybe she already has more than
enough people to chat to. I do this sometimes because if I took on another
'friend' I wouldn't be able to chat to them much and I don't want to mess
people about - its nothing to do with the guy - just I have only so many people
I can reasonably chat to.
Now people drop out of my friends lists over time and it
may well be that if you came back in say 4-6 weeks I would be willing to add
you. The same holds true for other girls.
Why do people drop out of the
girls friends list ? Well typically a girl will be chatting to any number of
potential suitors. Some will be more interesting to her than others. BUT what
often happens is a good prospect for the girl just dies off. I have had people
chat to me and say they want to chat over time and get to know me and maybe
possibly get a date, after a few chats they drift off. Mostly because theres no
likelihood of a quick shag. Thats leaves the field a little bit freer for a new
'friend'.
So theres lesson No 1 - Persistence and patience pays
off here. Don't be pushy but a polite question seldom if ever gets a nasty
response.
Try and see the upside to getting told 'no' - you now
have one less prospect so more time to devote to the others. Whatever you do
don't be pushy when being told no - your not going to change her mind and you
will only be damaging your chances with other girls if she gets
annoyed.
A note on profiles here..... before you even think about PMing a girl
on a chat system that supports profiles make damn sure you have a picture on
the profile and some solid details. DONT try to impress by putting that your a
company director on your profile. Most girls have heard it all before and will
just ignore it anyway. Money as such seldom impresses most T Girls many of whom
will be earning more than you as an admirer. So flash cars and similar are not
a passport to success with most T Girls.
Dont forget most girl used to
be guys and have used the same ploys in their time. To truly appreciate how bad
most guys chat up lines are you HAVE to be a T Girl. Lines you thought were
sooooo cool as a guy come across to a female as being naff to the point of
asking someone to please pass the sick bag.
OK you managed to get a girl to
talk to you so what do you say ? Well a good start with most T Girls is to ask
some general stuff about their dressing. Safe topics are always things
like;
How long have
you dressed ?
What sort of clothes do you like
?
Do your dress full time ?
topics that will get you
ignored very quickly are;
What color knickers are you wearing
?
Do you take anal ?
I drive a
BMW
Are you dressed now ? ( this one is a guaranteed
no-no)
Get the picture ? Theres a world of difference between genuinely
interested questions about her dressing and the crass approach of are you
dressed right now ( i.e. so you can have a quick wank
).
T
Girls may be looking for sex too but they are very far from desperate for
someone and can be choosy so anyone who seems too eager will get dumped very
quickly.
Most girls are happy to chat about their dressing, why they started,
what sort of clothes they like and will be quite open. Just like genetic
females though they will sense someone about to hit on them and likely cut you
dead.
In short if your looking for a cheap thrill you will more than likely
be unlucky with almost any serious T Girl. If you are chatting to a T girl and
getting a cheap thrill odds are your chatting to some guy who is fantasizing
but is never going to BE a real T Girl.
Get this right way - there are
a very limited number of genuine girls - they nearly all either know each other
or know someone between each group of friends. If you have managed to piss one
of them off then you will be getting on to lots of other girls ignore lists
very quickly so be warned.
Most girls even if they are looking for sex want
something more than a quick poke in a darkened out living room so you have to
approach them on a just friends basis to start with and just as with any real
girl slowly work up to popping the question. This isn't wasted time because
even if at the $64,000 question time she says no - chances are you will have
made a friend who may not want you herself but she may be willing to recommend
you to other T Girls and may inrouduce you to another
girl.
If your looking at this as wasted efforts and at this point are
thinking its too much trouble then frankly you have no right to be asking for
dates. You should consider either seeing a professional girl (see below) or
just face it - your not serious about this.
So theres your second big tip -
show an interest in the girl, talk over time and aim at just being friends, if
you get further thats a bonus but just aim for friendship to start
with.
Live Clubs
Many girls prefer to look for
guys in clubs. Their feeling is that the Internet requires no effort from the
admirer so can be largely full of timewasters whereas to be at a club the
admirer has to make an effort.
The rules of the game for
asking girls for a date in a club are broadly similar to chatting on-line. The
same topics are safe or unsafe as cocered in the Internet chat
section.
How do you signal to her your interest ? Well a nice smile and just
saying 'Hi' is good. Dont stare at girls because most T Girls get fed up with
being stared at - its what they have to live with all the time and will raise
her defences. So a friendly glance and smile is best. OK she just said 'Hi'
back and smiled in return, what do you do next ?
A good start is always to throw
a compliment out and see how she reacts. If your going to make a compliment for
goodness sake make it sound sincere.
Dont say to a girl who is
obliviously having a bad hair day 'oh your hair looks nice' like a robot. Think
of something that you genuinely like about her and go for that. If your sincere
the girl will be happy to take a compliment. If she is happy then you can move
on something like offering her a drink. She may well refuse but stil be open
for chatting to. She will know your first few lines will be awkward and will
understand so dont be put off.
Now most girls in a club will
be with friends so dont be put off if you get a no-no here. The girl may be
interested but just may not want to take it any further right
now.
Something to bear in mind with clubs is SHE will be very comfortable.
She will be in her own element around other T Girls and will most likely know
other girls in the club. You on the other hand as an admirer are an 'outsider'
so will acordingly be less comfortable. Most exprienced girls will know that
and will take it into account so dont worry if your feeling a bit awkward at
first.
Same rules as Internet chat system apply here - ask her stuff about
herself, be genuinely interested and aim just to be friends. You may be
surprised at the end of the evening and get her phone number or at least get
her to accept yours. Now topics in a club environment are a little different
from chat.
When out and dressed the girl wont want to be reminded that certain
elements of her are synthetic so DONT mention wigs, fake boobs or what she does
as a job UNLESS she brings it into the conversation and even then unless you
are getting on like a house on fire its best to be non-committal on these
topics. You could be playing with fire and get
burnt.
As an aside when I first started going to clubs some guys chat ups
were abysmal - heres some examples of how NOT to do
it.....
Admirer 1 - 'Hi you look lovely'
Melanie - 'Thank
you'
Admirer 1 - 'Where did you get that wig from
?'
Melanie - smiles sweetly and walks off - he's blown it
!
Admirer 2 - 'Hi'
Melanie - 'Hi'
Admirer 2 - 'If you wanted to
book a hotel room I could come back and do you a
favour'
Melanie 'You can do me a favour right now babes - piss
off'
NEVER EVER assume your doing a girl a favour - as I say - she will be
being chased by lots of guys and can be VERY selective. Any approach like
Admirer #2 here is bound to end in failure.
Popping the question....getting a date
OK you have chatted for some time ( on a chat system
if the girl is for real you have probably spent a few days if not weeks - in
clubs of course its more likely to be an hour or so ) and you are both getting
on.
How to
ask for that date and actually get it.....
Well, being a T Girl is a very expensive business (
powerboat racing is a cheap hobby by comparison ) so if you offer a date you
need to make it interesting for the girl. Being taken to TV club / restaurant
is a good start, if no clubs are near you or she is too shy to go out then the
offer of a small gift will help demonstrate your sincerity. This needn't ne
expensive just something that shows you care - stockings, flowers etc. Now I
hear some people saying 'why the f**** do I have to bother with that
?'
Fine dont if you dont want to - you'll end up with a hairy panty
wearer or on your own though. At best you will get some beginner at a cross
dressing stage and you will be for sure unhappy with the results.
Most T Girls are not so broke they actually NEED you to
pay for stuff. Its a token that demonstrates your sincerity and your
appreciation for her time. Dont forget she is being hit on lots and can be
choosy. I get asked to go on dates about twice a day on my own chat system and
used to get about the same chatting elsewhere. 90% of guys never got to meet me
because their reaction was can I come to your place. The answer is always NO !
If your that keen to meet me you will take me out somewhere because I dont want
to spend 2 hours making up to sit in my own living room.
At
least if I get stood up while at a club I haven't dressed for nothing and can
still have fun. These days any offer of a meeting without being taken out is
for me a complete non-starter. Its takes me too long to dress to the standard
that a 1st date requires and if I get a no show then my times has been wasted.
Some admirers seem to feel that T Girls are so desperate they can
skip the stuff that a real girl would expect - forget it ! A serious T Girl
will want the same treatment as a genetic
girl.
Just stop and think. The girl has had to make a big
investment in time and money to look good. Each time she makes up the best part
of £5 worth of cosmetics is being used plus stuff like stockings and wigs
all have limited life. Just to start as a T Girl costs an absolute minimum of
about £100 worth of cosmetics plus wigs that cost a weeks wages for most
people plus a whole wardrobe etc. So in effect you want HER to spend her money
when you dont want to spend yours.
Would you seriously try and
date a genetic girl that way ? Of course not. A T Girl is no different - it
bears repeating - most sexy looking / convincing T Girls are NOT sluts looking
for a fast shag.
Now you ask for the date just the same as you would any
girl. 'Melanie I wondered if you would like to come out with me for a meal/club
night' would get a pretty good response from
me.
Its simple isn't it ? You dont need a fancy chat up line, or a
gimmick ( and ladddish stuff is a dead cert. disaster ).
You just need to start the process off as friends, see if her
interests and such like are compatible and then ask the
question.
If the girl has been chatting to you and seems friendly
and compatible then at this stage of asking you will almost certainly get a
yes. If you got a no chances are you have moved to quickly past the frienship
phase OR you just didnt listen to what she told
you.
Now I may say no to a date but would tag you as someone
sincere and would at least mention it to other T Girl friends and mark you as a
serious admirer worthy of consideration if another girl asks me my
opinion.
Now if she says yes - your home free right ? Nope you
still have to do the date. Dont even think about not turning up because once
you do you wont be getting a 2nd chance from her and you can bet she will be
telling EVERY T Girl from here to Woolamaloo about you being a waster. After a
girl has spent maybe 2 hours dressing to get a no-show you can bet she will be
angry and will be telling the world.
I have had this happen to me several times, sometimes
the guy comes back online to say sorry he got scared or whatever - theres no
excuse at all for not letting someone know and as a result I would NEVER take a
second meeting with them so they have blown it
permanantly.
If your not sure about seeing a T Girl and your going to
get jitters then leave it until you are sure. Wasters are the bane of the TV
scene - your not clever doing this, you just get seen as a moron and you mess
it up for genuine admirers.
So if you have now gotten this far you are almost home -
almost any T girl will show for a date like this but you may want to ring her
and confirm on the day to make sure. There are fake girls just as there are
fake admirers. On the date same rules as for chatting in clubs and such like
and do make an effort to dress up a bit. You dont have to be in an Armani suite
but just a little effort will impress her and of course a small gift ( flowers
etc. ) will definitely wow her !
One of the things most
admirers fail to take on board is a T Girl is by definition changing gender
identity so her dressing is an identity issue NOT a sex issue. Part of the
gender changeover pushes her to be more female than a genetic female in many
ways. She is more feminine in mentality as over-compensation for the fcat that
she lacks some of the more physical feminine attributes.
Admirers often state their preference for T-Girls in
terms of the fact that they are more sexy than real girls ( more exotic makeup,
clothes etc) but fail to recognise that in response the admirer needs to handle
them MORE like a female than perhaps a real female would merit. So ROMANCE is
the order of the day - small gifts like flowers etc reinforce the femininity of
the girl. She WANTS to be treated as a lady.
So theres
tip number 3 - ALWAYS treat her as a lady and think
romance.
Finally most admirers who chat to me always say they
dont think they will be up to much because their looks aren't that great. OK
you dont look like Richard Gere - but he isn't around and you are ! Most T
Girls can see behind mere appearance and actually want whats inside i.e.
humour, warmth, character etc. etc. So be a little more confident and I wish
genuine admirers the very best of luck.
Mels
Boyfriend -
To give you a live
example of how to succeeed I will use my current boyfriend.
When we met in a
chat room he chatted with me on the main chat system, was friendly and always
said 'Hi' when I arrived on chat. He never pushed for a chat or conversation
but was just nice and friendly. Occasionally he would ask if we could go
private and we just chatted about general stuff. Our hobbies, tastes in music,
holidays and our intersts in Sci-Fi etc etc.
The fact that he NEVER asked for a meeting or
pushed me to talk about my dressing but was always intersted made me want to
ask HIM for a date because I was sure such a laid back guy would be
good.
So the whole
thing was based on friendship first and then a date so we could meet and only
then did the relationship move on from there. We spent the best part of 6 weeks
chatting before I would even consider a date.
Professional
Girls -
A good start for
many admirers - especially those who cant or wont spend time in chatting or who
just doubt their skills at 'pulling' a T Girl - are the professional TV
Escorts.
Dot be put
off by thinking that TV Escorts will be like their genetic girl counterparts.
Most TV Escorts are usually REALLY nice girls who are saving for stuff like GRS
( which is VERY expensive) so your not seeing a professional whore - just a
nice girl who is earning some money from escorting. Look at the money you spend
as helping to create a beautiful new woman.
The advantages to a professional girl is that
they will almost always look better than the average T Girl because their skill
sets have been honed, they will be experienced at sex and of course will be
able to put you at your ease. Many admirers start with professional girls
because it gives them a chance to try the scene without perhaps making a such a
big commitment as chasing a normal girl takes. And the truly non-professional
professionals may just like you enough to consider you as serious suitor later
on.......
Summing up -
Patience is the key - dont be pushy just aim to
be friends, get used to disappointment, dont take the rejections personally and
always be NICE !
Flashy or laddish chat up lines almost never work just a plain
approach of asking the question AFTER you have spoent time becomg friends will
work.
Always treat
her 100% as a lady, small gifts or even thoughtfulness about her will be
rewarded usually.
If
you do all this and are genuine it will show up and eventually you will get the
girl of your dreams.
Questions and Answers
I am a CD and
really want a date with a T Girl but never get anywhere....what am I doing wrong ?
This
is a hard one to answer and I dont want to injure peoples feelings but here
goes. Most T Girls who look good were at one time a CD ( ie a partial or fetish
dresser). As most T girls 'mature' out to dress to ever better levels they
start to want to be with girls of a similar ilk. Most TVs tend to have
developed past the CD phase by quite a bit so are generally unintersted in
being with a CD.
Some girls may be willing to help with stuff like makeup tips for a
CD who's becoming TV but generally wont be interested in much more than that.
Sadly most TVs get hit on so often by CDs who start chats asking for
make-up/dressing advice and the start asking for a date that a lot of TVs wont
even allow a conversation to start. Its unfortunate but
true.
TVs generally
are dressing for gender identity reasons while most CDs are dressing for sexual
gratification. For an article like this obviously these are very big
generalisations.
I am sure I dont need to do all the stuff you say, I have
chatted with girls who are happy to meet without this, why do you and some
other t girls ask for special treatment ?
Special treatment - I assume by that you mean
we want to be treated as a real girl would be. You say you chatted with other
girls who dont require to be treated as girls but you dont say whether you met
any. My bet would be if you did meet them they would either be more CD
orientated than TV and almost for sure not a convincing T-Girl. At best you may
get lucky and get to see a T Girl at a very early stage of development. My bet
is if you dont treat her right you will only be seeing her
once.
I dont see
what I have said here as demanding special treatment - most T Girls just want
the same courtesy and approach as any female is entitled do - why do YOU feel
it should be different ?
Would your seriously go to a night club, walk up to a genetic girl
and say 'hey sexy lets go outside and fuck' and expect to get much of a result
?
I really want to meet a TS rather than a TV but never seem to
find them on chat systems or even clubs, why ?
Well just as TVs tend to reject CDs to a large
extent most TSs reject TVs and the general 'scene'. You see a TS at the later
stages of her development tends to see herself as a real girl and 9 times out
of 10 can pass as one too ( and in fact to all practical puposes she IS a real
girl ). As a result her orientation is more towards being places as a
'straight' woman so they seldom inhabit scene places like Internet chat rooms
or TV clubs. Quite often the disapointments that they have encountered while at
a TV stage will have made them quite antagonistic to 'admirers' and even other
TVs. Again this is a general observation.
I have placed contact ads up
for a girl and never gotten anywhere ?
And you probably wont. Ads do no harm and on
some boards (like the
Sofa
at Melanies Tv Zone) may help a bit but generally you need to be out there
on boards chatting. Most girls are almost under seige for dates so will seldom
look at contact ads for admirers unless you and her are in an out of the way
place.
I have mailed lots of girls but never get a reply - what am I
doing wrong ?
Well I
ALWAYS reply to mail but lots of girls just get fed up with emails so stop
repsonding unless its interesting. The most common mistake people make is to
mail saying something
like
"I saw your pic and you look really sexy, I
would love to meet
you"
Of course you'd like to meet her but a
compliment like that didnt take you long to think about and you havent told her
a thing about you. Why would she want to respond to that as a mail
?
Now if you were to have written something
like
"I saw your profile and you look lovely in your
pictures, I love the dress you are wearing and you look really friendly. I am a
34 year old single guy who loves T Girls and I noticed your quite local to
where I live. I wondered if you may be interested in me ? I have sent you a pic
and would really appreciate it if we could chat or mail each other or perhaps
even meet at a club if you would
like"
Then you may get a bit luckier - see your
compliment is thought out, you have told her a little about you, sent a pic so
she can see you and politely asked for some of her time. Bet you would get a
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